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Edit: These drugs will exist….
Yeah that’s one of the stronger arguments, imo. These exists, and will take place – legal or not. There are many consequences that arise when you marginalize a substance to the black market, and although legalization won’t alleviate all problems associated with most banned substances, I do believe they would be reduced drastically.
If it is legalized, it will no longer be smuggling, it will be international trade. Then there will be no cause for the violence.
If it is not illegal, it is not criminal, so no violence.
Then there is no need for the DEA.
The FBI and Coast Guard can focus on real threats like Islamic terrorists instead.
But Obama will sign no such bill. Too many vested interests.
I surely hope the FBI & Coast Guard continue busting violent criminal smugglers.
BUT Obama has already stead the DEA will no longer be interfering with states rights as far as medical marijuana is concerned!
Plus, my bet is that if congress actually gets smart and ends prohibition on a federal level, Obama would sign the bill
All drugs are already available to anyone who wants to get their hands on them, and they’re not going away anytime soon. What we can do is try to make sure they are used safely, and make sure that the proceeds for smuggling drugs do not end up financing criminal operations
So in other words, today for every 1000 Americans there are 80 druggies, in 1924 for every 1000 Americans there was 1 druggie. 80 times the rate of 1924. Rotten counter-culture vermin of the late 60’s destroyed the country. Only good thing to come out of the 60’s was equality for blacks, everything else was a total disaster for our nation.
Furthermore, freedom is not real. There is no such thing as total freedom in which NO LAWS exist. That’s called anarchy and it just leads to civilization turning into a warzone. You seem to believe in the right to do anything YOU want without considering how it might affect others and that is extremely selfish and irresponsible.
By your logic, I should be allowed to walk around with a small nuclear bomb. It’s ok as long as I don’t set it off, right?
Jkief, I finally found the gold standard on drug use stats pre 1950 that I was looking for, it’s a study by Dr. Lawrence Kolb and A.G. Dumetz in 1924, and it’s referenced in various places around the internet. I found that Time has something cool where they have 1930’s editions on line and in a 1938 edition it said this “Few persons know that in 1924 one out of every thousand U. S. citizens was addicted to narcotics” referencing his study. Today, 1 in 12 Americans are addicted to drugs.
You seem a bit naive to this issue. Your stance is very selfish. We’re talking about irreplaceable human lives, not the freedom to drive under the influence of THC. You won’t be in trouble with the law if you just don’t do it to begin with…the truth is, it IS NOT a smart idea to do at all, no matter how safe your stats may argue that it is. Just because it is more safe then driving drunk does not make it entirely safe.
Do you really need to drive while high that badly?
Jkief, I found this from a “Dr. Herbert Kleber” who appeared on PBS Frontline, regarding how little Americans used to use drugs “It will take more than one generation to revert to the very low rates of illegal drug use in the 1950’s.” And of course the 50’s was higher than previous decades, it saw a significant rise in and of itself
Jkief, here’s some stats from the University of Missouri-St.Louis “The number of [narcotics]addicts remained rather small and non-problematic through the 1940’s (approximately 20,000 known)
Throughout the 1950’s and 1960’s there was dramatic growth; ” Especially taking off in the late 60’s. There’s 20 million abusers today. Even though we only have about 3 times the population we had in the 40’s. Hopefully you can get that by keywording USML Narcotics
Jkief, here’s a start, I’ll keep looking, this is from “Continuum Magazine” some mag devoted to “re-thinking aids”, in a article called “the drug-Aids hypothesis”. During and after the Vietnam war, in the 1970s, the number of illicit recreational drug users in America soared from a negligible background to currently about 20 million who use drugs chronically.” They claim another 75 million use drugs occasionally. from negligible to 20 million chronics
I think the prohibition on MJ has led to some organized crime, sure. Not even remotely “the same” organized crime as the 18th Amendment, but some. The prohibition on heroin, robbery, and murder has led to some organized crime, too. The answer isn’t to legalize everything; it’s to fight crime.
Jkief, it’s fact, I can try to look up the stats from the 1920’s again versus those of today. Drug usage back then was much less than today, by a factor of 40. The late 60’s counter-culture scum ruined the country in many ways, including introducing widespread drug use. those 1920 stats are a mother to find, I hope I have them in my favorites somewhere…
God is a drug. Love is a drug. Rock n Roll is a drug. TV is a drug. Exercise is drug. Make a point.
That is, of course, assuming you don’t believe in freedom. If you believe in freedom, then absolutely no one should be jailed for something “they may have done”.
So, the real problem with my view is, this country isn’t free; and, the people who live here don’t really give a damn. So, you’re right, let’s jail people for things they MIGHT do, those evil bastards haven’t even committed the crime yet but jail them now and save yourself later.
Your claim seems kind of vacuous to me.
The problem with your view on that is that it just doesn’t fit into reality. It’d be nice if it could work that way, but all it would do is wait until accidents happen to punish people. You’d be punishing people after they’ve already caused a fatality or serious injury.
By just outright making driving while high illegal, it won’t stop everyone, but it does make A LOT of people think twice about doing it, which is a big step in preventing the accidents before they happen.
And you don’t think prohibiting marijuana has caused the same organized crime, take a look at the drug wars being fought in our backyard…Do you think Mexico has a chance? I don’t. And why do we put money and power into psycopaths hands? To make you feel good about no one driving to work stoned, or going to work drunk?
The problems that prohibiting alcohol produced, are the same ones we have today over drugs. The difference is, the main stay of society drinks alcohol, and that’s the kicker!
Don’t care about people growing dreads or joining a commune. And I don’t care about people smoking on a Friday night, so long as they don’t go to work, drive a car, teach school, or try to parent any kids thereafter. I care about increased use, and its negative impacts on other people and society. Alcohol prohibition worked at reducing use, but it cause significant organized crime and other secondary effects. If we could prohibit alcohol without those effects, we would do it tomorrow.
Of course use will increase, but that doesn’t mean it will have any kind of negative effect either.
hehe prohibition doesn’t work, thats why people are pushing for responsible regulation. Just step back and look what benefits we reaped from prohibition of alcohol? …….. yup……
Oh, so you do want to argue that? We could, but it would be a long discussion.
I do think more people might try marijuana if it were legal, but do I think they’ll grow dreads and join a commune? No. They might get high on their Friday night, and the next day laugh at how stupid they were.
Most people who are going to be addicted to MJ most likely already found it….
The main thing I’m concerned about is violence. End prohibition and honest businessmen can sale MJ, regulate and pay taxes. It’s basically the reason alcohol prohibition ended, it didn’t work.
Legalizing a previously illegal activity will increase use. Arguing anything else is just silly.
THC is a drug. You’re smart to drop the “plant” nonsense, which is argued predominatly on way-baked natural law types. It’s not a winner.
The argument that use would increase if drugs were legalized was an extremely popular argument in the 80’s, which is why I say it’s 80’s propaganda. They don’t still use that because thinking people know it’s not true.
First, I could argue that marijuana is not a drug at all, that it’s a plant. However, at some point I have to answer for the psychoactive THC; so let’s just say MJ is a drug.
cont’d…..